Oct 25, 2010 13:40
13 yrs ago
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French term

la gouttière du projecteur

French to English Art/Literary Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
les cartons prévus entre chaque extrait pour mentionner le titre du film ont été livrés sans bande sonore vierge. Et alors ? À chaque changement de film, tac tac tac tac, comme si chaque carton nous valait douze balles dans la peau… Philippe aussitôt se creuse la tête. Il confectionne un petit carton qu’il insérera dans la gouttière du projecteur à chaque fois que le tac tac menace.

I have already asked about carton in Proz but its second use in the paragraph here throws me in that I don't understand the technical side of this. Is he inserting captions into the projector, and if that is the case, what is the 'gouttière'. I have put in a lot of context, the text dates to 1980.

Any cameraman/people know about the technical side of film, out there!

Discussion

Sarah Robertson (asker) Oct 25, 2010:
Ok, thank you for pointing that out to me as I would have never have known!!!! Very confusing that carton is used both in this text to designate caption and cardboard!
mediamatrix (X) Oct 25, 2010:
Explanation... The answer you got to your earlier question about 'carton' was correct as far as the actual words are concerned. But the 'caption' (carton) in question is of course recorded on film, just like the actual programme.
However, the second 'carton' in the extract from the ST quoted in this question is not a caption. It is - literally - a piece of cardboard (carton) which the operator placed in the film gate to block the light beam that is intercepted by the sound-track. That stops the 'bang, bang, bang' noise by muting the sound channel output..

Proposed translations

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French term (edited): qu’il insérera dans la gouttière du projecteur
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used to block the sound slit

I think you'll need to re-word slightly, as the writer appears to have got the technology slightly wrong.*

When I was a projectionist, we used to have to do this all the time, and for a similar reason: we inserted a small piece (of fag packet, usually!) to interrupt the light beam as it passed through the film and slit, where it passes (usually) round the 'capstan' of the sound flywheel (depending on the exact design of each specific projector).

So in this particular instance, it isn't that actual picture gate (inserting a piece of cardboard there would not help the sound at all!)

MM is exactly right in his explanation in the discussion box above.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-10-25 22:09:39 GMT)
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By the way, they're not really 'captions' so much as 'titles' (since here we're talking not about the caption card that is filmed, but rather, the resulting 'title footage' which would have to be intercut with the main films.

It sounds a bit as if this is 16 mm, since if you use double perf. film stock, this can produce a horrendous noise when run through a projector with optical sound, as the second row of perfs. is in the space normally occupied by the soundtrack.

35 mm, on the other hand, doesn't suffer from quite the same problem, as it is always double perf., and the soundtrack area is reserved. But unless specifically exposed to be black (= opaque), it will be printed as clear, which can lead to this sort of problem (particularly, the sound of splices going through)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks and I was very grateful to you and MM explanation."
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slot of the projector

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cartridge slot projector&hl...

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Note added at 7 mins (2010-10-25 13:48:29 GMT)
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or

tray

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YygTF28...
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film gate

I'm assuming that where the author wrote "gouttière" (s)he was referring to what is more-often called the 'couloir de projection' --> 'film gate' in English.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_cinématographique
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_projector
Peer comment(s):

agree SMcG (X) : Yes, film gate, where the film would be held under slight friction normally.
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disagree Tony M : Not the picture gate, but the sound slot. I think the writer actually actually got it wrong, probably through not understanding the technology properly.
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