Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term
bürgerlich
This sentence is really just an example, but how would you translate bürgerlich in the context of the Middle Ages? I know it had to do with certain rights and such....civilian, bourgeois, Burgher? We are talking about medieval Austria. Thanks!
| 4 +2 | burghers' |
David Hollywood
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| 4 +1 | middle-class |
Machiel van Veen (X)
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| 3 +1 | of private citizens |
Lancashireman
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| 2 | civil |
Ramey Rieger (X)
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| 2 | of the common people (commoners) |
Wendy Streitparth
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worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
burghers'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher
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Burgher, a citizen of a borough or town, especially one belonging to the middle ... Burgher, a social class in medieval European cities from which city officials ...
Burgher people – Grand Burgher – Anti-Burgher
Meet the Middle ages - Society - Classes of Society - Burghers
medeltiden.kalmarlansmuseum.se/e.../1-6-5.phtml?...
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Burghers. The citizens who lived in the towns made a living either from trade or from craft. A person who wanted to go into business as a merchant or a craftsman ...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-03-04 04:43:07 GMT)
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that's what they were called in those days and fits IMO
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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-03-04 04:45:08 GMT)
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Burgher, a social class in medieval European cities from which city officials could be drawn; see Medieval bourgeoisie
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Andrea Garfield-Barkworth
: This link even specifies owning real estate: http://webs.schule.at/website/Citizenship/citizen_en.htm
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Johanna Timm, PhD
: http://asherwin.com/resources/glossary/buerger/
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civil
middle-class
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Note added at 2 uren (2016-03-03 18:29:23 GMT)
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In the middle ages someone who owned a property like a house or windmill or something like that, must have been not only middle class, but pretty rich, I think. The people was normally divided in the "haves" and "the havenots".
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philgoddard
: I was going to say this sounds odd in a medieval context, but I've looked it up and there was a relatively small segment of the population who were neither nobles nor peasants.
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Thanks, Phil. If you read "Pillars of the Earth", you can see that the equivalent of architects and the like were also independent and no noble nor peasant.
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franglish
: Middle-class is a modern term.
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writeaway
: with franglish. it's basically anachronistic.
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United Kingdom
of private citizens
'Private citizens' as opposed to 'the nobility'.
The bourgeoisie came later.
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Ramey Rieger (X)
: Yes, draws the line clearly
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Germany
45 years experience
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
of the common people (commoners)
www.tc.umn.edu/~schm0502/eFolio/schmidt.powerpoint.ppt
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