Nov 16, 2017 12:27
6 yrs ago
French term

la conséquence est bonne

French to English Social Sciences Philosophy
Conclusion (456 b-c): De la conformité à la nature à la possibilité, la conséquence est bonne.

This outline refers to the following passage in Plato's Republic:

Then women of this sort must be chosen along with men of the same
sort to live with them and share their guardianship, seeing that they are
adequate for the task and akin to the men in nature.
Certainly.
And mustn’t we assign the same way of life to the same natures?
We must.
We’ve come round, then, to what we said before and have agreed that
it isn’t against nature to assign an education in music, poetry, and physical
training to the wives of the guardians.
Absolutely.
Then we’re not legislating impossibilities or indulging in mere wishful
thinking, since the law we established is in accord with nature. It’s rather
the way things are at present that seems to be against nature.
So it seems.
Now, weren’t we trying to determine whether our proposals were both
possible and optimal?
Yes, we were.
And haven’t we now agreed that they’re possible?
Yes.

Discussion

tatyana000 (asker) Nov 17, 2017:
Thank you for the confirmation! Thank you, everyone, for your input! Great minds think alike! I've been conducting my own research in parallel to this discussion and have concluded that the French is likely a translation of the Latin "valet consequentia" as in:

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199541...

In order to account for the first part of the sentence, I turned things around and rendered it as:
"It is valid to infer possibility from accordance with nature."

Marco, I'll award you the points as soon as the 24 hours are up! Thanks again!
Lisa Jane Nov 16, 2017:
Yes The conclusion is valid. It follows.
katsy Nov 16, 2017:
@ Charles and Marco One wonders if there is anything Charles doesn't know! ;-)
Marco expressed the idea first, so he should propose a translation imo.
Charles Davis Nov 16, 2017:
@Marco and Katsy You are quite right. This is a statement about sound reasoning. It is a near-quotation, clearly deliberate, of a scholastic philosophical axiom, ab actu ad posse valet consecutio. Proudhon quotes it in Qu'est-ce que la propriété?, translating it as "du fait à la possibilité la conséquence est bonne". In English, valet consecutio appears in reference works as "the induction is good". It can also be translated as "the inference/conclusion is good/sound/valid".

Perhaps one of you would like to post a translation?
katsy Nov 16, 2017:
I agree with Marco - the steps of reasoning: A = B, therefore (consequently) C. the logical steps (consequence) as Marco suggests, are indeed logical, lead on from one to another, and therefore are sound.
Marco Solinas Nov 16, 2017:
Sound reasoning He seems to be saying that the sequence of logical steps (reasoning) leading from the accordance of the proposal with with nature to its feasibility is sound.
tatyana000 (asker) Nov 16, 2017:
This is all there is! There is no paragraph. It's just an outline!
Francois Boye Nov 16, 2017:
@Asker

Pls publish the paragraph illustrating the conclusion you submitted

Proposed translations

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the reasoning is sound

Please see discussion box. Katsy and Charles have explained it very well. I think the sentence refer to the deduction process.
Peer comment(s):

agree Charles Davis
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agree Yolanda Broad
41 mins
agree katsy
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agree philgoddard
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the result is good

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Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : convincing explanation
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the outcome is good

http://www.csrnyc.com/philosophicalbaseofcsr/fourtypesofethi...
"Consequentialist or teleological ethics abandons the criterion of motive and focuses attention on the outcomes of actions. If the outcome is good the related actions are likely to be good – regardless of the motivation of the individual actor. The fact that someone has good motives for an act is not enough to ensure that it is ethically good."

http://jehdnet.com/journals/jehd/Vol_3_No_4_December_2014/31...
'The importance of the “question” lies in examining the relationship between actions and outcomes. It has a
purpose and refers deeds to their outcomes. If the outcome is good, then the deed is also good, and vice
versa. Socrates tries to shed doubt on the result of teaching virtues, as he is not satisfied with Protagoras'
answer. "If you associate with me, young man, then you will be able at the end of your first day in my
company, to go away a better man and the same will happen on the next day, and each day after that you
will continue to grow better and improve."'
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