Feb 13, 2007 11:23
17 yrs ago
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French term
France
balme
French to English
Other
Tourism & Travel
les balmes, les rives et la plaine
Talking about the city of Lyon.
Talking about the city of Lyon.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +4 | 'balme' |
Kate Hudson (X)
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| 2 +2 | rock shelter |
Conor McAuley
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| 3 | palm (trees) |
Graham macLachlan
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| 3 | bath near Lyon/ spa |
Ingeborg Gowans (X)
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| 2 -2 | wild mint/balm/balsam |
Jonathan MacKerron
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Proposed translations
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'balme'
I would use the original word and add a footnote indicating that it means 'escarpment in the Lyons region". According to the city's own web site the 'balmes' comes from the Gaulic word 'balma' meaning a hermit's cave. The 'balmes' in Lyons are crisscrossed by deep ravines and honeycombed with caves.
http://www.lyon.fr/vdl/sections/fr/securite/balmes_et_collin...
http://www.lyon.fr/vdl/sections/fr/securite/balmes_et_collin...
Peer comment(s):
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Emma Paulay
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AllegroTrans
: Yes-attaching an explanation is the best way to deal with this
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Gabrielle Bannard
: Translator's notes are great when dealing with area/culture/historical-specific terms; clients have always been grateful. If this is for marketing or an article, you might want to work the explnation into the text itself rather than as a footnote.
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Conor McAuley
: Yes, as I stated in my answer
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Thanks, Conor
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Conor McAuley
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rock shelter
Further to writeaway's link, from Grandictionnaire.com:
français
anglais
balme n. f.
rock shelter
Définition :
Abri sous-roche situé à une hauteur plus ou moins grande au-dessus de la base d'un escarpement.
Sous-entrée(s) :
synonyme(s)
baume n. m.
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Note added at 16 mins (2007-02-13 11:39:45 GMT)
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http://www.google.fr/search?q="la balme" "rock shelter"&hl=f...
Some evidence, might be safer just saying cliffs.
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Note added at 18 mins (2007-02-13 11:41:57 GMT)
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Or use the French term and gloss, as the term seems to be quite specific and also seems to be local usage.
français
anglais
balme n. f.
rock shelter
Définition :
Abri sous-roche situé à une hauteur plus ou moins grande au-dessus de la base d'un escarpement.
Sous-entrée(s) :
synonyme(s)
baume n. m.
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Note added at 16 mins (2007-02-13 11:39:45 GMT)
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http://www.google.fr/search?q="la balme" "rock shelter"&hl=f...
Some evidence, might be safer just saying cliffs.
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Note added at 18 mins (2007-02-13 11:41:57 GMT)
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Or use the French term and gloss, as the term seems to be quite specific and also seems to be local usage.
Peer comment(s):
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Richard Levy (X)
: I agree having found this in Termium Plus: shelter-cave
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Thanks Richard!
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Stephanie Sullivan
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Thanks Stephanie!
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Jonathan MacKerron
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Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
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wild mint/balm/balsam
Litré "balme=baume"
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grottos
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Note added at 23 mins (2007-02-13 11:46:56 GMT)
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balme=Grotte, dans le Midi.
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grottos
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balme=Grotte, dans le Midi.
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: Dans la région lyonnaise, on désigne par " balmes ", tout coteau escarpé, pente ou talus. http://www.lyon.fr/vdl/sections/fr/securite/balmes_et_collin...
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have since changed my suggestion
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Tony M
: Clearly not the meaning required in this quite specific context
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so quick to disagree
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palm (trees)
typo for 'palme'?
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Perhaps not, I think you should keep it in French with an explanation or a note: local word designating steep slope, etc.
Balmes et collines lyonnaises - Site Officiel de la Ville de Lyon
Dans la région lyonnaise, on désigne par " balmes ", tout coteau escarpé, pente ou talus. Plus de 2500 hectares sont concernés. Balmes vient du gaulois ...
www.lyon.fr/vdl/sections/fr/securite/balmes_et_collines_l
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In light of the definition below, I would use 'slope' as 'the slopes, the banks and the plane' and perhaps slip in 'balem' and a definition when appropriate:
Balmes vient du gaulois balma qui signifie " grotte d’ermite ". Les falaises et parfois les parois abruptes des vallées étant souvent creusées de cavernes de dissolution servant d’abris, le nom a été appliqué ensuite à **l’ensemble du versant**.
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an 'outcrop' does not convey the idea for me:
Outcrop
1. Geology & Mining. A part of a rock stratum, vein, or soil layer which emerges at the surface. Also more widely, an area or mass of bare rock.
OED
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arf! PLAIN!
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Note added at 7 mins (2007-02-13 11:30:58 GMT)
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Perhaps not, I think you should keep it in French with an explanation or a note: local word designating steep slope, etc.
Balmes et collines lyonnaises - Site Officiel de la Ville de Lyon
Dans la région lyonnaise, on désigne par " balmes ", tout coteau escarpé, pente ou talus. Plus de 2500 hectares sont concernés. Balmes vient du gaulois ...
www.lyon.fr/vdl/sections/fr/securite/balmes_et_collines_l
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Note added at 16 mins (2007-02-13 11:39:58 GMT)
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In light of the definition below, I would use 'slope' as 'the slopes, the banks and the plane' and perhaps slip in 'balem' and a definition when appropriate:
Balmes vient du gaulois balma qui signifie " grotte d’ermite ". Les falaises et parfois les parois abruptes des vallées étant souvent creusées de cavernes de dissolution servant d’abris, le nom a été appliqué ensuite à **l’ensemble du versant**.
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Note added at 18 mins (2007-02-13 11:42:05 GMT)
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an 'outcrop' does not convey the idea for me:
Outcrop
1. Geology & Mining. A part of a rock stratum, vein, or soil layer which emerges at the surface. Also more widely, an area or mass of bare rock.
OED
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arf! PLAIN!
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: nope: http://www.lyon.fr/vdl/sections/fr/securite/balmes_et_collin... / :-)
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indeed
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bath near Lyon/ spa
http://www.google.fr/maps?hl=fr&q=les balmes&near=Lyon&sa=X&...
according to the map of Lyon, this seems to be a spa/ or bath for "balneotherapie"
according to the map of Lyon, this seems to be a spa/ or bath for "balneotherapie"
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