Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
los anti-sistema
English translation:
anti-capitalists
Added to glossary by
Noni Gilbert Riley
Oct 22, 2010 11:37
13 yrs ago
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los anti-sistema
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Social Sciences
Government / Politics
news reporting on wave of protests in Europe
There is one entry on this in Proz, but they're not using a noun, and it is also 8 years old.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_spanish/other/183029-es...
Since the anti-sistemas are ever more in the news, I wonder if the jargon has changed in the meantime.
The term has arisen in conversation about trouble in the streets of Barcelona during the recent general strike, not in a written text, for a student in the middle of taking the diplomatic service exams (he has just taken the translation component) who may need to use it in interview.
"Anti-capitalist protesters" is what I've found, but I wonder if there is anything shorter/snappier. Maybe not.
Any comments? Thanks very much.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_spanish/other/183029-es...
Since the anti-sistemas are ever more in the news, I wonder if the jargon has changed in the meantime.
The term has arisen in conversation about trouble in the streets of Barcelona during the recent general strike, not in a written text, for a student in the middle of taking the diplomatic service exams (he has just taken the translation component) who may need to use it in interview.
"Anti-capitalist protesters" is what I've found, but I wonder if there is anything shorter/snappier. Maybe not.
Any comments? Thanks very much.
Proposed translations
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| 4 | anti-capitalists |
David Ronder
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| 4 +7 | anti-establishment groups |
Diane Kenyon
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| 4 | Anti-establishment |
Sean Mullen
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| 3 | anti-system |
Maria Mercau
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| 3 -1 | protestors / picketers |
Y. Peraza
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Proposed translations
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David Ronder
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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anti-capitalists
because capitalism is the system in question.
I would argue that the standard UK media term is 'anti-capitalist demonstrators' (or protesters as you suggest, or activists, or ...) but this will do if you want it snappy.
Google images for the term:
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=anti-capitalists&gbv=...
It is those guys, isn't it?
A couple of other examples:
Fat cats in terror after anti-capitalists attack Fred the Shred's ...
26 Mar 2009 ... Security will be stepped up around fat-cat bankers after the home of disgraced former RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin was targeted by vandals.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Fat-cats-terror-anti-capitalists-at... - Similar
Anti-capitalists start May Day protests by shaking a fist online ...
As police prepare for a May Day of demonstrations in central London, the first blows by anti-capitalists were being struck over the internet.
www.independent.co.uk/.../anticapitalists-start-may-day-pro... - Cached - Similar
'Anti-establishment' is not quite the same thing and I feel belongs to another era.
I would argue that the standard UK media term is 'anti-capitalist demonstrators' (or protesters as you suggest, or activists, or ...) but this will do if you want it snappy.
Google images for the term:
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=anti-capitalists&gbv=...
It is those guys, isn't it?
A couple of other examples:
Fat cats in terror after anti-capitalists attack Fred the Shred's ...
26 Mar 2009 ... Security will be stepped up around fat-cat bankers after the home of disgraced former RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin was targeted by vandals.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Fat-cats-terror-anti-capitalists-at... - Similar
Anti-capitalists start May Day protests by shaking a fist online ...
As police prepare for a May Day of demonstrations in central London, the first blows by anti-capitalists were being struck over the internet.
www.independent.co.uk/.../anticapitalists-start-may-day-pro... - Cached - Similar
'Anti-establishment' is not quite the same thing and I feel belongs to another era.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "The reasoning that it is not just anti-govt, and that anti-capitalists is a more up-to-date term than anti establishment have led me to plump for this one. Thanks everyone."
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Maria Mercau
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anti-system
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protestors / picketers
Te doy ideas, pero sin conocer el contexto, es difícil.
En todo caso, la opción más neutra es protestors. Todo anti-sistema es un protestor: van contra el sistema y lo hacen saber, es decir, protestan.
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Note added at 15 mins (2010-10-22 11:52:04 GMT)
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Si es para las acciones violentas de la huelga del mes pasado, picketers va perfecto. Mira estos ejemplos de distintos periódicos:
A bus is stopped by picketers in Barcelona at the begining of ....
The unified picket from Plaza Catalunya, ...
Picketing was serious and effective and it was clear that workers were not sitting back ...
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Note added at 27 mins (2010-10-22 12:04:40 GMT)
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Por eso te recomendé "protestors" como primera opción. En relación con esa huelga se ha usado "anti-sistema" para referirse a grupos que ejercen diferentes grados de violencia, pero no sé a qué se refiere en tu texto. Yo creo que "protestors" es una traducción elegante y sobre todo, con eso no te pillas los dedos! Claro que no tiene las mismas connotaciones que "anti-sistemas", pero ya sabes, lost in translation...
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Note added at 38 mins (2010-10-22 12:15:37 GMT)
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;-)
En todo caso, la opción más neutra es protestors. Todo anti-sistema es un protestor: van contra el sistema y lo hacen saber, es decir, protestan.
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Note added at 15 mins (2010-10-22 11:52:04 GMT)
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Si es para las acciones violentas de la huelga del mes pasado, picketers va perfecto. Mira estos ejemplos de distintos periódicos:
A bus is stopped by picketers in Barcelona at the begining of ....
The unified picket from Plaza Catalunya, ...
Picketing was serious and effective and it was clear that workers were not sitting back ...
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Note added at 27 mins (2010-10-22 12:04:40 GMT)
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Por eso te recomendé "protestors" como primera opción. En relación con esa huelga se ha usado "anti-sistema" para referirse a grupos que ejercen diferentes grados de violencia, pero no sé a qué se refiere en tu texto. Yo creo que "protestors" es una traducción elegante y sobre todo, con eso no te pillas los dedos! Claro que no tiene las mismas connotaciones que "anti-sistemas", pero ya sabes, lost in translation...
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Note added at 38 mins (2010-10-22 12:15:37 GMT)
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;-)
Note from asker:
| No son picketers Yaiza, ya que ellos son los piquetes: son los que se organizan para hacer destrozos durante las manifestaciones, y van de ciudad en ciudad y de foco de disturbio en foco. tb los hay que son menos destructivos y aparecen en protestas, por ejemplo en las reuniones de los G8. |
| Thanks Yaiza! It does look as if we are going to have to take a step down in the force of the term. |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
AllegroTrans
: No, these are protesters vehemently opposed to the existing system, not mere picketers
1 day 7 hrs
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It seems you have not read the discussion and explanatations between me and the asker...
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Sean Mullen
United States
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Related KudoZ points
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4
Anti-establishment
Broader than "anti-government" (encompasses the political system not just the particular government in power), but less generic than simply "protesters".
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Note added at 46 mins (2010-10-22 12:23:43 GMT)
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It's not meant to be capitalized--autocorrect on my iPhone :). Also you can combine with "protesters".
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Note added at 58 mins (2010-10-22 12:35:30 GMT)
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Also, I wouldn't recommend "anti-capitalist" unless you know they were specifically protesting against capitalism or were generally left-leaning.
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Note added at 46 mins (2010-10-22 12:23:43 GMT)
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It's not meant to be capitalized--autocorrect on my iPhone :). Also you can combine with "protesters".
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Note added at 58 mins (2010-10-22 12:35:30 GMT)
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Also, I wouldn't recommend "anti-capitalist" unless you know they were specifically protesting against capitalism or were generally left-leaning.
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Diane Kenyon
Spain
Spain
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Spain
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12
anti-establishment groups
is another possibility where the notion of protesting may be implied.
Not any shorter or snappier than your suggestion of anti-capitalists which I've heard many times on the new too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-establishment
Not any shorter or snappier than your suggestion of anti-capitalists which I've heard many times on the new too.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2010-10-22 13:56:13 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-establishment
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Sean Mullen
: Looks like we were typing at the same time :)
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Thank you insane, it must be a case of great minds :)
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liz askew
: This is exactly what I thought when I saw the query.
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Thank you Liz
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Salloz
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Thank you Salloz
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Rachel Fell
: and anti-establishment activists, maybe http://www.surinenglish.com/20101005/news/spain/strike-gener... http://www.neurope.eu/articles/EU-meeting-postponed-in-Spain...
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franglish
3 hrs
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Muriel Vasconcellos
15 hrs
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AllegroTrans
1 day 7 hrs
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Reference comments
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Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
Spain
Spain
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Spain
Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
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