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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

plat

English translation:

cover/plate, endpaper

Added to glossary by Parrot
Jul 2, 2003 15:30
20 yrs ago
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French term

plat

French to English Art/Literary Bibliography
Found at the end of a lengthy, precise and detailed description of the contents of a 12th century manuscript :

"On lit, au verso du second plat : "Iste liber est.... [Latin text describing its provenance]"

Somewhat embarassing, as I *should* know what this "plat" on which this bit of text (a kind of colophon) is written, but really can't think of it and have struck out in the dictionaries, including the Big Robert.

Most likely is "endpaper", but I can't find that usage for "plat" and "endpaper" should be "page de garde", I would think.

Though it would be "flat", not the "paste down endpaper" (the half of the endpaper that is pasted to the rear ["second"] board of the binding, since it's a question of the "verso" of the "plat" --i.e., the "back side" or "overleaf" of it, which, being glued down to the board, would not be visible.

I'm in no hurry, but if anyone has a thought, I'd appreciate hearing it.

Many thanks to all.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 cover/plate (illustrated), possibly "endpaper" (second plat)
4 +1 side, cover
5 case cover
3 +1 cover board
3 cover paper

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Jul 2, 2003:
Also... The reason for my mentioning the fact that the binding is vellum/parchment is that that particular medium is ideal for carrying text --the whole dang book is, of course, written on parchment.
Usually the only thing written on the exterior of a book which has anything to do with the text within is the title --written on the spine and/or on the page edges (vellum books were often stored flat, to inhibit warping and expansion).
Another reason why I didn't think of the obvious.
Non-ProZ.com Jul 2, 2003:
Also... The reason for my mentioning the fact that the binding is vellum/parchment is that that particular medium is ideal for carrying text --the whole dang book is, of course, written on parchment.
Usually the only thing written on the exterior of a book which has anything to do with the text within is the title --written on the spine and/or on the page edges (vellum books were often stored flat, to inhibit warping and expansion).
Another reason why I didn't think of the obvious.
Non-ProZ.com Jul 2, 2003:
Also... The reason for my mentioning the fact that the binding is vellum/parchment is that that particular medium is ideal for carrying text --the whole dang book is, of course, written on parchment.
Usually the only thing written on the exterior of a book which has anything to do with the text within is the title --written on the spine and/or on the page edges (vellum books were often stored flat, to inhibit warping and expansion).
Another reason why I didn't think of the obvious.
Non-ProZ.com Jul 2, 2003:
Also... The reason for my mentioning the fact that the binding is vellum/parchment is that that particular medium is ideal for carrying text --the whole dang book is, of course, written on parchment.
Usually the only thing written on the exterior of a book which has anything to do with the text within is the title --written on the spine and/or on the page edges (vellum books were often stored flat, to inhibit warping and expansion).
Another reason why I didn't think of the obvious.
Non-ProZ.com Jul 2, 2003:
Thanks to all. So far, I'm tending towards Francis' "cover board" --or, in proper English Analytical Bibliographic Parlance, simply "board".

In this case the "rear ['second'] board", and on the "verso" of that board, i.e., the "back cover of the book", in ordinary speak.

The book in question is bound in vellum (not uncommon, for a medieval book) : "Relieure parchemin" in the catalogue description.

I was just not at all used to seeing this kind of "colophon" written on the *exterior* of the book --usually there's nothing on the exterior of any relevance to the interior text except the title, usually written on the spine (and/or the edges of the pages).

Blindsided by my own expectations and pre-conceptions, I think.

Proposed translations

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cover/plate (illustrated), possibly "endpaper" (second plat)

I don't really get a clear picture of placement from the description, but this page on basic book terminology may help:
Reference:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/serge.passions/c5_bibliophilie_parlons_des_livres.htm

Peer comment(s):
agree GILLES MEUNIER
0 min
thx Gilles & congrats on 20000+
agree Vicky Papaprodromou
751 days
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7 mins

cover board

Reference Termium:Domaine(s)
  – Forwarding, Folding, and Binding (Printing)
Domaine(s)
  – Façonnage, pliage et reliure (Imprimerie)
 
cover board Source CORRECT

plat Source CORRECT, MASC

DEF – A rectangular board used to form
the binding cover. Source

DEF – Morceau de carton rectangulaire
formant la couverture de la reliure.


Antique Books, Books for Sale, Old Books, Used Books - [ Traduire cette page ]
... This doesn't state first edition, but there is only one copyright date given.
The olive green coverboard has white printing and an interesting design. ...
www.reading-quest-quencher.com/ Conclusion/antique%20books/ - 14k - En cache - Pages similaires

[PDF]From our Treasurer/Program Chair Stone Eye Update News from your ...
Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
... a new technique which we call “Two or Three coverboard Structure” that ... or wooden
boards (again clean-cut edges), some restoration of old books, as well as ...
palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw/chapters/ midwest/quarto/quarto15-3.pdf
Peer comment(s):
agree Monica Alves
27 mins
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14 mins

cover paper

no, my translation it not "it" but I pass it on to be able to let you in on what my very very old La Rousse indicates in French, and this may lead you to the right solution:
"Feuille de papier, de toile recouvrant le carton de la couverture d'un livre".
Bonne chance!
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+1
18 mins

side, cover

<<plat (side) Côté de la couverture d'un livre relié constitué d'une pièce de carton taillée au format et sur laquelle est appliquée la matière de recouvrement.
Note - Par extension, ce terme désigne également chacun des deux feuillets de la couverture d'un ouvrage brochée.

plat verso (back cover) - Plat formant le dessous de la couverture d'un livre.

plat recto (front cover) - Plat formant le dessus de la couverture d'un livre>>

[Vocab. de l'édition et de la reliure, Cahiers de l'Ofice de la langue française]

That's what the book says, at any rate.
Peer comment(s):
agree cjohnstone
5 mins
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4 days

case cover

is the translation for "plat de couverture":

abablio.free.fr/themes/sciences.htm - 44k

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Note added at 2003-07-06 19:22:09 (GMT)
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Livres anciens - Librairie ABABLIO - Sciences - Astronomie ...
... Broché, non coupé, bon état. 1er plat de couverture illustré. ... Broché, non
rogné, bon état. 1er plat de couverture illustré. 15 98,39. € Frf. 469, ...
abablio.free.fr/themes/sciences.htm - 44k

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Note added at 2003-07-06 19:23:05 (GMT)
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vente de bandes dessinées, cartes postales, disques
... 5 eur, 40 tbe 5 eur, 41 tbe 5 eur, 42 be 4 eur, 43 be 4 eur, 44 tbe mais signature
sur la couverture 4 eur, 45 tbe mais scotch sur 4eme plat de couverture 4 eur ...
perso.wanadoo.fr/bd.petit.format/ mes_ventes/mes_ventes.html - 28k
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