Apr 12, 2017 14:00
7 yrs ago
French term

«luge» atypique

French to English Marketing Ships, Sailing, Maritime Presentation of upcoming monohull yacht race
I'm translating publicity for a lake yacht race. The sentence in question is comparing other boats to a past winner of a race for monohull boats. The winning boat is a Libera class boat, but it's presumably a fairly non-standard one (atypique). My problem is that I can't find the word "luge" associated with boat design anywhere; but then it is in quotes in the source, so maybe I shouldn't take it too literally. I assume it isn't a flat-bottomed boat as it's clearly very fast. Would it refer to skids, outriggers, or ...? I don't like to share the name of the boat here, I'm afraid. And its photos just look like a racing yacht to my amateur eye.

Really, the only "before and after" context I can give is:

Face à cette «luge» atypique, les constructeurs XXX alignent des voiliers plus classiques, mais très rapides eux aussi.

Discussion

Sheila Wilson (asker) Apr 12, 2017:
@ Ana Sorry, I should have posted up here rather than to Nikki's answer. It is one of those Libera class boats in her posted videos. I don't know how similar they all are, but it certainly isn't a cat.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Apr 12, 2017:
@Ana I've posted references to photos and videos of boats from the Libera class in my answer.
Ana Vozone Apr 12, 2017:
Does it have a flat bottom? A keel, two keels, is it like a catamaran? The more information you provide, the better I can help you (via my husband, who is a keen yachtsman ;) )
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Apr 12, 2017:
Nothing to do with foils, indeed. Even if they did have foils, that is not the point being made with "luge". It is a description of hull form, designed for high-performance. Like a racing sled, sledge, toboggan.
Sheila Wilson (asker) Apr 12, 2017:
I'm afraid it doesn't have foils I know more and more of them do nowadays, but this one doesn't :(. I did search again but I finally found a video from 2015 which shows quite clearly that it isn't equipped (or wasn't then). I can't find any stills of it up on foils.
Wendy Streitparth Apr 12, 2017:
Suggest it Ana!
Ana Vozone Apr 12, 2017:
Is it a boat that has some sort of foils and sails a few feet above the water such as these:
https://www.google.pt/search?q="moth foil"&espv=2&source=lnm...

https://www.google.pt/search?q=luge foils sailing&espv=2&sou...

You can search the term "luge" on this link:
http://www.mothworlds.org/sorrento/sand-flies-versus-foiling...

Proposed translations

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atypical "toboggan"

The choice of term, the decision to put it in inverted commas, in highly indicative of the hull shape. It would be helpful to have a photo, the name of the race or, indeed, information as to whether this is actually a hull designed by Mr. Libera. I think you have no reason to use anything other than the term as cited in inverted commas. That is why I have put a "high" confidence level without even being sure of the type of boat. I somehow have an Australian skiff in mind. Or a 49er?!

Optimists are familiarly described as "caisse à savon", I'm not surprised to see a high-performance race craft described as a "luge". I suspect it is a flat open hull affair with

In no way does the term "luge" point to a foil.

Can you not provide any more context?

Is it like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJpzVpQgx4E and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms3eBs6Hw0k

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Note added at 2 hrs (2017-04-12 16:57:21 GMT)
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Sorry, "flat open hull affair with a trapeze sest-up".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX-tC9NSVEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1FMn-QuMQ
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Sailing/Squall-wipes-out-e...

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From the last source:

"ake Garda is known for having fickle, and interesting wind patterns for sailors, but kiteboarders and windsurfers enjoy the frequent strong winds that start blowing from this time of year. It’s usually pretty tame though, with strong days reaching 30 knots at most. This day was not tame however, and nor was the racing with several of the obscenely complicated ‘Libera’ Class yachts (or should they be called dinghys?!) being toppled by the squall.

If you havn’t had the chance to see what these ‘Libera’ Class boats are like, imagine an 18ft skiff on steroids, scaled up to 45ft, with crews of 15, ALL on trapeze. Yes, ALL on trapeze. It’s insane, and something that only really happens on Lake Garda during the Centomiglia regatta."

I like the "like an 18ft skiff on steroids"!

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http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/class/Libera/

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Check out EN docs on Principessa, Centomiglia, Raffica...

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The Libera class sebsite is not up and running at the moment. There are references to the class in Hungarian and in Italian, but also in English. ;-)

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website

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I have rowed a little in the past. We called the beginner's boat the "bathtub". It is not unusual to use nicknames, affectionately, for boats.

Yes, it is highly likely that there are some fairly competent linguists among the crew and teams, often comprised of yachties from many countries. They oten know the technical vocab. Only those who speak French are likely to understand the allusion to "luge" though, but explained to an EN native yachtie, the idea will be clear.
Note from asker:
The boats in those videos are indeed similar to the one I'm dealing with, Nikki. Yes, "skiff on steroids" is nice. OK, I'll go with what you've given me, with thanks, and give my client some alternatives. I know he has some very fluent English speakers around him.
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atypical yacht/sailboat on foils

Without a picture, I can say I am really practically just guessing... In any case, please see discussion.

https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
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