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Sep 10, 2022 21:57
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Russian term

вегетационный попуск

Russian to English Other Agriculture Hydrology
К 1995 г. по бассейну Сырдарьи развилась практика заключения межгосударственных протоколов и соглашений, в которых устанавливались величины компенсационных топливно-энергетических поставок и размеры **вегетационных попусков** из Токтогульского водохранилища для покрытия нужд орошаемого земледелия в среднем и нижнем течении.

I guess it could mean releases of water from the reservoir during the growing season, but that's just a guess.
Proposed translations (English)
4 reservoir draft over the vegetation period
3 Vegetative Release

Discussion

Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Sep 11, 2022:
@Susan: You are right to err on the side of caution.
Susan Welsh (asker) Sep 11, 2022:
Thanks to all I decided to write вегетационный попуск more or less as Misha suggests, but adding a note to the authors on why I deleted "vegetative".
I'm not handing out Kudoz points because all who contributed to the discussion were helpful, and none of us are members and so will not benefit from points.
Thanks to all
Susan Welsh (asker) Sep 11, 2022:
@Frank - vegetative period or growing season? In my context, I don't think these are different. The вегетационный период is described as lasting many months: "В схеме определены лимиты водозаборов для каждой республики на вегетационный (апрель – сентябрь) и невегетационный (октябрь – март) периоды года, а также перспективы развития гидроэнергетики в бассейне реки, включающие строительство Камбаратинских ГЭС-1 и 2 и Верхне-Нарынского каскада ГЭС."
Marlin31 Sep 11, 2022:
There is a well-defined English term for Russian " вегетационный сток" - "growing-season streamflow":
https://www.multitran.com/m.exe?a=3&sc=939&s=вегетационный с...

https://www.google.com/search?q=" growing-season streamflow ...

So, you can use a similar term for " вегетационный попуск " - growing-season water release.
IrinaN Sep 11, 2022:
I believe the meaning is well-understood by all What I don't understand is why English term is being supported solely by Russian examples:-)

https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/1-4020-...

The effectiveness of a reservoir depends primarily upon the rate of withdrawal, called reservoir draft D, the reservoir storage capacity S, and the time-series structure of the streamflows. The relationship between reservoir storage capacity, draft, and the resulting reliability R of the water supply is called the storage equation (WMO, 1973).
Susan Welsh (asker) Sep 11, 2022:
@Marlin31 Thanks Marlin, that's useful.
Marlin31 Sep 11, 2022:
More references that may explain the difference among Russian terms (e.g., попуск, спуск, сброс) which mean (in my opinion) the same thing:
https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/proverbs/7187/ПОПУСК
попуск — Регулируемая подача воды из верхнего в нижний бьеф [ГОСТ 19185 73] попуск Периодический или эпизодический выпуск воды из водохранилища для регулирования расхода воды на нижележащем участке водотока или уровня воды в самом водохранилище… … Справочник технического переводчика

https://files.stroyinf.ru/Data2/1/4294834/4294834117.pdf
32. Сброс (Discharge of water) Удаление неиспользуемой части стока из
водохранилища
33. Попуск (Release) Регулируемая подача воды из верхнего в нижний бьеф
Susan Welsh (asker) Sep 11, 2022:
@Frank Yes, it is a technical document. I will give it some more thought and look at the references provided here more carefully.
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Sep 11, 2022:
It is possible that we are not translating les belles lettres but technical terminology, where exactitude is required. For example, vegetative period is a concept distinct from growing season.
https://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Growing_season
Susan Welsh (asker) Sep 11, 2022:
@Misha I hate to admit it, but you're right! Cheers to you too.
The Misha Sep 11, 2022:
... and the amount of water to be released from the Toktogul Reservoir for irrigation ... blah blah

We are translating meanings, not words, right? That's what the meaning seems to be here. And if it is not, well, too bad for them:)

Cheers, Susan!
Marlin31 Sep 11, 2022:
May be helpful^
https://books.google.ru/books?id=6DhWw_cYLicC&pg=PA363&lpg=P...
3026 idle water spilll

https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/regulirovanie-vnutrigodovo...

(eng) https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e81f/8d8a7ee2a956e53341151e...
(rus) https://cloud.mail.ru/public/KaeH/jKrNfwDuS
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Sep 10, 2022:
@Susan: I assumed that a document from Texas would have had the imprimatur of an American author. Growing season and cultivation season come to mind.

Proposed translations

23 mins

Vegetative Release

NEW INDEPENDENT STATES
ISSUE PAPER No. 7
Options Analysis of the Operation of the Toktogul Reservoir
August 26, 1997
Almaty, Kazakhstan
by John E. Keith and Daene C. McKinney
Delivery Order 12, Task 6
Prepared for:
Central Asia Mission
U.S. Agency for International Development

Table 1-2. Toktogul Reservoir Vegetative Period Release Agreement (1996-97)............ 5

https://www.caee.utexas.edu/prof/mckinney/papers/aral/Issue7...

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on the other hand, there is
What is the vegetative cycle?
The period of growth between germination and flowering is known as the vegetative phase of plant development. During the vegetative phase, plants are busy carrying out photosynthesis and accumulating resources that will be needed for flowering and reproduction. Different types of plants show different growth habits.

https://plantsinmotion.bio.indiana.edu/plantmotion/vegetativ...

How long does a typical vegetative period last?
The vegetative stage in Cannabis plants may last from 3 to 16 weeks, or even more in outdoor crops. Most growers vegetate their indoor plants for 4-8 weeks, depending on the desired plant size.
https://growithjane.com/cannabis-plant-vegetative-stage/#:~:...


What happens vegetative phase?
In the vegetative phase, which begins at germination and continues through tillering, the tissues of growth (meristems) are busy producing leaves. This is important because sufficient leaf surface area is needed to capture sunlight and continue photosynthesis.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vegetative period"&oq=vegeta...
Note from asker:
That's what MT engines give and what the translator wrote (I'm the reviser), but it doesn't sound like English at all. It sounds like some kind of new sex technique. "Вегетационный период" is "growing season."
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reservoir draft over the vegetation period

http://www.sic.icwc-aral.uz/pdf/analytical_report_2021_ru.pd...

В водохранилище «Бахри Точик» на начало вегетации объём воды
составил 3.46 км3
, к концу вегетации – 1.59 км3
. Приток к водохранилищу
«Бахри Точик» за вегетацию – 5,28 км3
, попуск в реку – 6,38 км3

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Note added at 16 hrs (2022-09-11 14:48:11 GMT)
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Even better just "growing season draft" since the rest of the sentence clearly explains that this is not a military draft or smth.
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