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Russian term
Хуй с тобой, Золотая Рыбка
May offend
Russian to English
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Политически корректно стало говорить . Хуй с тобой, Золотая Рыбка, можно и так. Мы не гордые.
Apparently, this is a colorful, if profane, reference to Pushkin's classic tale. Here's a gist of it in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Fisherman_and_t...
Here's a taste of modern usage in Russian (brace yourself): https://www.google.com/search?q="everything under the sun"&i...
Now, we don't have a similarly colorful Zolotaya Rybka in English. What DO we have?
I realize no one is coming to get me if I simply write it off as one of those untranslatables, but why waste a good challenge? Any creative solutions appreciated, especially from natives and equivalents. The way I see it, it doesn't have to be profane, so please take it easy with the four-lettered stuff. It just has to be natural - or it won't work at all. Many thanks.
Apparently, this is a colorful, if profane, reference to Pushkin's classic tale. Here's a gist of it in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Fisherman_and_t...
Here's a taste of modern usage in Russian (brace yourself): https://www.google.com/search?q="everything under the sun"&i...
Now, we don't have a similarly colorful Zolotaya Rybka in English. What DO we have?
I realize no one is coming to get me if I simply write it off as one of those untranslatables, but why waste a good challenge? Any creative solutions appreciated, especially from natives and equivalents. The way I see it, it doesn't have to be profane, so please take it easy with the four-lettered stuff. It just has to be natural - or it won't work at all. Many thanks.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | go f..ck yourself, you f..cking gold fish, who cares about you, you f..ing gold fish |
LilianNekipelov
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| 4 | см. |
Michael Korovkin
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| 2 +1 | Fuck the fucking Danaos (et dona ferentes) |
Oleg Lozinskiy
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Proposed translations
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18 mins
Oleg Lozinskiy
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Works in field
Russian Federation
There's No Limit to Perfection
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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243
Fuck the fucking Danaos (et dona ferentes)
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Note added at 3 час (2015-05-18 20:24:39 GMT)
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For those who understand - I'm just very humbly trying to suggest that on some occasions (or OPPORTUNITIES???) it could be appropriate/adequate to substitute a folklore of one nation for a folklore of another nation (or MANY nations) OR to try to do a mix.
E.g.,
(1) U.S. version
Using Proper English (Monty Python) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2L47_W2mFs
OR
(2) Canadian version
Use of the F-Word in Canada (Bowser & Blue) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lG-i2bjhk
And then...
Here come the 'Danaos' ('et dona ferentes').
:-)
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Note added at 3 час (2015-05-18 20:48:06 GMT)
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Given the particular extensive context (finally exposed on the 'panel') I would rather (with all possible reservations) insist on 'Danaos' (NOT 'Greeks') in my translation option (at least 'Danaos' would not sue me).
If anybody would like me (a 'professional diplomat') to comment on the expanded source text
QUOTE
"Когда я давным-давно приехал в Америку, меня тут же предупредили:
ни в коем случае не называй негров неграми. Говори черные. Хорошо. По мне – хоть зеленые, раз тут так принято. Потом запрет, как-то плавно, перешел на blacks. Политически корректно стало афро-американцы. Хуй с тобой, Золотая Рыбка, можно и так. Мы не гордые."
UNQUOTE
I would express my humble opinion (by another joke) - either on the 'panel' or otherwise.
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Note added at 4 час (2015-05-18 21:15:23 GMT)
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Have decided to do it here:
"An aircraft is hijacked in the mid-air but the pilots are safe in the locked cockpit.
The chief hijacker announces - 'OK, unless they yield to our orders we are going to shoot you, our hostages, every five minutes. And we will do it in the alphabetical order according to your nationalities.'
Grabbing a guy in the first row: 'Who are you?' - 'I... I... I'm an Arab'. - Shot.
In the mid-rows a 7-year-old kid whispers to his father: 'Gosh... How home? We are Afro-Americans'.
The kid's father: 'Shut up and remember - we're bloody niggers'.
P.S. Sorry, if anybody has got offended.
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Note added at 4 час (2015-05-18 21:28:23 GMT)
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P.P.S. And all of this started a couple hundred of years ago with the WONDERFUL WORDS:
QUOTE
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
UNQUOTE
http://constitutionus.com/
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Note added at 3 час (2015-05-18 20:24:39 GMT)
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For those who understand - I'm just very humbly trying to suggest that on some occasions (or OPPORTUNITIES???) it could be appropriate/adequate to substitute a folklore of one nation for a folklore of another nation (or MANY nations) OR to try to do a mix.
E.g.,
(1) U.S. version
Using Proper English (Monty Python) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2L47_W2mFs
OR
(2) Canadian version
Use of the F-Word in Canada (Bowser & Blue) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lG-i2bjhk
And then...
Here come the 'Danaos' ('et dona ferentes').
:-)
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Note added at 3 час (2015-05-18 20:48:06 GMT)
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Given the particular extensive context (finally exposed on the 'panel') I would rather (with all possible reservations) insist on 'Danaos' (NOT 'Greeks') in my translation option (at least 'Danaos' would not sue me).
If anybody would like me (a 'professional diplomat') to comment on the expanded source text
QUOTE
"Когда я давным-давно приехал в Америку, меня тут же предупредили:
ни в коем случае не называй негров неграми. Говори черные. Хорошо. По мне – хоть зеленые, раз тут так принято. Потом запрет, как-то плавно, перешел на blacks. Политически корректно стало афро-американцы. Хуй с тобой, Золотая Рыбка, можно и так. Мы не гордые."
UNQUOTE
I would express my humble opinion (by another joke) - either on the 'panel' or otherwise.
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Note added at 4 час (2015-05-18 21:15:23 GMT)
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Have decided to do it here:
"An aircraft is hijacked in the mid-air but the pilots are safe in the locked cockpit.
The chief hijacker announces - 'OK, unless they yield to our orders we are going to shoot you, our hostages, every five minutes. And we will do it in the alphabetical order according to your nationalities.'
Grabbing a guy in the first row: 'Who are you?' - 'I... I... I'm an Arab'. - Shot.
In the mid-rows a 7-year-old kid whispers to his father: 'Gosh... How home? We are Afro-Americans'.
The kid's father: 'Shut up and remember - we're bloody niggers'.
P.S. Sorry, if anybody has got offended.
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Note added at 4 час (2015-05-18 21:28:23 GMT)
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P.P.S. And all of this started a couple hundred of years ago with the WONDERFUL WORDS:
QUOTE
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
UNQUOTE
http://constitutionus.com/
15 hrs
LilianNekipelov
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Legal and literary translator. Linguist.
Native in: English (Variants: US, British) 
, Polish (Variant: Standard-Poland)
Works in: Russian to English, Polish to English, Swedish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
33
go f..ck yourself, you f..cking gold fish, who cares about you, you f..ing gold fish
The first one quite offensive but closer to the original, the second one milder. There are various spellings of that type of gold Fish (sometimes capitalizes, etc—you may want to choose the one that suits you best.
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Note added at 15 hrs (2015-05-19 09:11:39 GMT)
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You could perhaps replace gold fish with a savior
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Note added at 16 hrs (2015-05-19 09:13:53 GMT)
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It depends on the context here, whether the naivety of the gold fish is stressed or her redemptive intentions.
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Note added at 15 hrs (2015-05-19 09:11:39 GMT)
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You could perhaps replace gold fish with a savior
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Note added at 16 hrs (2015-05-19 09:13:53 GMT)
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It depends on the context here, whether the naivety of the gold fish is stressed or her redemptive intentions.
14 hrs
Michael Korovkin
Italy
Italy
Native in Russian
&
English
Works in field
Italy
Native in: English , Russian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, Italian to Russian, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
108
см.
я так понимаю, что он ее отпускает, да? Иди, мол, отпускаю, да?
То-есть сленговато пересказанная сказка?
Тогда "You can (not "may"!!) fuck off now, Goldfish"
А если он говорит в смысле “пошла на хуй“, то “Fuckee you...“ etc.
При чем тут Греки, даже приносящие дары Джону Клису, я, откровенно говоря, не понимаю... Туп, наверное...
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Note added at 17 hrs (2015-05-19 10:34:39 GMT)
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с каких пор ты стал со мной на Вы... да еще и с большой блин буквы?
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Note added at 17 hrs (2015-05-19 10:37:05 GMT)
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Я тогда не понимаю - что переводить то?
Если ЗР с боку припеку, что - нет?
Какую фразу надо перевести на английский?
То-есть сленговато пересказанная сказка?
Тогда "You can (not "may"!!) fuck off now, Goldfish"
А если он говорит в смысле “пошла на хуй“, то “Fuckee you...“ etc.
При чем тут Греки, даже приносящие дары Джону Клису, я, откровенно говоря, не понимаю... Туп, наверное...
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Note added at 17 hrs (2015-05-19 10:34:39 GMT)
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с каких пор ты стал со мной на Вы... да еще и с большой блин буквы?
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Note added at 17 hrs (2015-05-19 10:37:05 GMT)
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Я тогда не понимаю - что переводить то?
Если ЗР с боку припеку, что - нет?
Какую фразу надо перевести на английский?
Note from asker:
| Спасибо, Майкл. Тут на самом деле эта золотая рыбка вообще сбоку-припеку. А насчет греков мне тоже не очень понятно, как и о том, куда тут пристегнуть Конституцию США и Христа-спасителя. Но по крайней мере Вы хоть знаете, что это греки. Я думал - это про марсиан:) |
| Это только в письменной форме - для пущей кучерявости и чтоб потомки не судили строго:) - а так я все тот же асоциальный имперский реднэк. Даже и не сомневайся. Тут не в переводе-то вовсе дело, тут надо "чего-то особенного", а вот чего, хз, как говорят некоторые современные русские люди. Да я в принципе и так уже разобрался. С пионерским приветом. |
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