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This forum topic is for the discussion of the poll question "Do your clients manage their source language content with terminology databases and glossary lists?".
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| | | | Mario Chavez (X) 
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| Managing takes time and costs money | Nov 4, 2016 |
In my experience, both clients and translation agencies manage some kind of terminological source, mostly in the form of a MultiTerm database, an Excel worksheet or a Word glossary list. But since neither (client or agency) is a linguist, translator or terminologist, these glossaries or databases of words are static and are given an almost biblical status (i.e. they're unchangeable or updateable).
I have a problem calling texts “content” or “data.” Both designations are tech... See more In my experience, both clients and translation agencies manage some kind of terminological source, mostly in the form of a MultiTerm database, an Excel worksheet or a Word glossary list. But since neither (client or agency) is a linguist, translator or terminologist, these glossaries or databases of words are static and are given an almost biblical status (i.e. they're unchangeable or updateable).
I have a problem calling texts “content” or “data.” Both designations are technically, rationally and linguistically inaccurate and misleading.
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| | | | neilmac
Spania
Local time: 06:48
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I'm afraid I don't really understand the question.
Perhaps it's because I agree with Mario ("I have a problem calling texts “content” or “data.” Both designations are technically, rationally and linguistically inaccurate and misleading.")
[Edited at 2016-11-04 09:05 GMT]
| | | | Mario Chavez (X)
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| Many ways to manage stuff | Nov 4, 2016 |
neilmac wrote:
I'm afraid I don't really understand the question.
Perhaps it's because I agree with Mario ("I have a problem calling texts “content” or “data.” Both designations are technically, rationally and linguistically inaccurate and misleading.")
[Edited at 2016-11-04 09:05 GMT]
Hi, Neilmac. I'm reminded of polysemy at this point (it's 9:19 a.m. in Aveiro, Portugal). On their websites or brochures, many companies claim to manage stuff of various kinds, just to sound important.
I also manage matchboxes, meaning I bought them and I keep them in the cupboard.
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Somewhere out there the machines are taking over...
Back in my world: They write it; I translate it. Simples.
Sometimes they have a "house style", but they don't normally take much notice of it.
None have an official vocabulary (beyond banning the word "problem" in one case). That would make my job very dull.
But would probably make tech translators like Julian happy.
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I have been asked by several of my customers to build a glossary of terms before starting a project, but I'd be reluctant to use a glossary "imposed" upon me, unless I can check its accuracy and make the necessary changes in collaboration with the client.
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Mario Chavez wrote:
In my experience, both clients and translation agencies manage some kind of terminological source, mostly in the form of a MultiTerm database, an Excel worksheet or a Word glossary list. But since neither (client or agency) is a linguist, translator or terminologist, these glossaries or databases of words are static and are given an almost biblical status (i.e. they're unchangeable or updateable).
I have a problem calling texts “content” or “data.” Both designations are technically, rationally and linguistically inaccurate and misleading.
[Edited at 2016-11-04 08:56 GMT]
and in the meanwhile I am waiting to see if there is at least ONE word in this world that is used properly and is not inaccurate or misleading according to Mario
| | | | Julian Holmes
Japonia
Local time: 13:48
Membru (2011)
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| Yes, the majority of them do | Nov 4, 2016 |
Chris S wrote:
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But would probably make tech translators like Julian happy.
Chris, I am blushing already.
I jump with joy when I get a nicely managed TM with a neat term base and autosuggest dictionary.
But a lot of the time, legacy translation is poorly managed with sundry input from more than 3 or 4 translators or just simply culled from poorly written manuals that have been translated in Chindia, which means that TMs I get are a linguistic nightmare.
I have, in the past, declined and sent back jobs because the legacy translation is a clustermess, and 100% and context matches have been calculated based on utter crap. I am not having my name sullied because I have to de facto OK someone else's dross. So, there!
End of my pre-weekend rant
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Mario Chavez (X)
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| Ciao, Gianluca! | Nov 4, 2016 |
Smile back atcha!
I just moan, lament, etc. the use of “content” and “data” as acceptable substitutes for text, audiovisual information, infographics, structured information, context, cotext, etc. that we translators manage, manipulate, manhandle, mold and massage into our translations.
I saw the word data used by a respectable colleague and professional friend in his toolbox bulletin recently, comparing what translators do to what music conductors do. Fi... See more Smile back atcha!
I just moan, lament, etc. the use of “content” and “data” as acceptable substitutes for text, audiovisual information, infographics, structured information, context, cotext, etc. that we translators manage, manipulate, manhandle, mold and massage into our translations.
I saw the word data used by a respectable colleague and professional friend in his toolbox bulletin recently, comparing what translators do to what music conductors do. First time I hear that musicians play “data.”
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Mario Chavez wrote:
Smile back atcha!
I just moan, lament, etc. the use of “content” and “data” as acceptable substitutes for text, audiovisual information, infographics, structured information, context, cotext, etc. that we translators manage, manipulate, manhandle, mold and massage into our translations.
I saw the word data used by a respectable colleague and professional friend in his toolbox bulletin recently, comparing what translators do to what music conductors do. First time I hear that musicians play “data.”
Ridiculous!
It might be ridiculous for you Mario, but most of people use words as they are usually intended in several fields.
For example, I do not find the use of the word "content" so strange. I worked as a content manager... and the common use of the word was clear to me when I read the poll. To be honest I do not like it, but on the other side I cannot say it is wrong, unacceptable....
I just pointed out because when I read your comments, it seems that every poll is formulated with the wrong words, used in the wrong way...
Obviously with the due respect and a smile.
| | | | Ana Vozone
Local time: 05:48
Membru (2010)
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| Yes, some do... | Nov 4, 2016 |
but often the databases and glossaries they send me as reference material are irrelevant, disorganized, not updated with the latest translations I sent them, they contain many inconsistencies and, to me, they are simply a total waste of time.
I prefer to rely (and usually end up relying) on my own TM's.
| | | | neilmac
Spania
Local time: 06:48
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| The all seeing eye... | Nov 4, 2016 |
Mario Chavez wrote:
I saw the word data used by a respectable colleague and professional friend in his toolbox bulletin recently, comparing what translators do to what music conductors do. First time I hear that musicians play “data.”
Ridiculous!
Reminds me of the Ancient One's comment in the new Dr Strange movie, something along the lines of "If you don't like the terminology 'spells', you can call them 'programs'"... Nevertheless, I'd like to think that at least some of my translations had something 'magical' about them that can't simply be assembled using terminology, databases or glossary lists... Or any other devices.
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Jennifer Forbes
Local time: 05:48
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In Memoriam
A few of my clients sometimes provide glossaries, lists of preferred terms, and even "style guides" (which are of variable usefulness). Most don't.
| | | | Muriel Vasconcellos
Statele Unite
Local time: 21:48
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I work mainly for international organizations. Most of them have lists of preferred vocabulary, but it's up to the translator to ask for them. Some have databases in the form of corpora, but they aren't consistent or reliable.
(As a terminologist, I use 'glossary' to refer monolingual specialized terminology with definitions, not bilinguial lists of terms.)
| | | | | I voted 'some do' | Nov 4, 2016 |
neilmac wrote:
...Reminds me of the Ancient One's comment in the new Dr Strange movie, something along the lines of "If you don't like the terminology 'spells', you can call them 'programs'"... Nevertheless, I'd like to think that at least some of my translations had something 'magical' about them that can't simply be assembled using terminology, databases or glossary lists... Or any other devices.
Like all my programs have suddenly turned into 'Apps' since I was more or less forced to update to Windows 10...
In answer to the poll, it is slightly wishful thinking, but I have clients who ask me to collect terminology now and then, especially a museum, where it may take ages to find the correct terminology at all. We want to keep it consistent over time, and also coordinate it with different language versions of their publications and information material.
Other clients over the years have built up glossaries and terminology lists, too.
In fact I wish more clients would do so, but I make my own lists where I feel they might be useful.
It is handy for point-grabbing at KudoZ, if nothing else.
[Edited at 2016-11-04 13:34 GMT]
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