fillette aux traits indécis

English translation: little girl with vaguely articulated features

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French term or phrase:fillette aux traits indécis
English translation:little girl with vaguely articulated features
Entered by: angela3thomas

18:25 May 2, 2017
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Archaeology / ancient art
French term or phrase: fillette aux traits indécis
Hi again!
DOC: 1907 Museum catalog of ancient Egyptian mirrors. Catalog entry.
CONTEXT: 44043. Manche de miroir fragmentaire. - Bois. Il représente une jeune fille debout, les jambes réunies, les bras pendant sur les côtés. [...] ***Le visage est celui d'une fillette aux traits indécis***, l'arcade sourcilière, l'oeil et la joue sur le même plan, le nez court, la bouche ronde. La tête était surmontée non d'un calathos mais du chapiteau à deux volutes. TECHNIQUE: Inégale. Le modelé est bon, les ondulations de la perruque incisées avec régularité.
The plate (III) is very poor and only shows this handle from the back.
ATTEMPT: The face is that of a little girl with undifferentiated features, the arch of the eyebrow, the eye, and the cheek on the same plane, the nose short, the mouth round/well-shaped? [last time there was this description, the plate didn't show a "round mouth" sigh....]
ISSUE: Not sure which meaning fits my context. I think the best is undifferentiated but it could be vague, ambiguous, indeterminate, indecisive, hesitant, uncertain etc.
Thanks in advance for any correction or confirmation!
angela3thomas
United States
with vaguely articulated features
Explanation:
"The features of the face of the figure are [only] vaguely articulated"

Which is to say that the various features of the face are *there* and are identifiable as what they are (eyebrows, eyes, nose, mouth), but they are not clearly and prominently "articulated" --they lack distinct [to use ormiston's term], detailed articulation.
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3 +3little girl with poorly defined features
mrrafe
3 +2a little girl with indistinct features
ormiston
4 +1with vaguely articulated features
Christopher Crockett


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little girl with poorly defined features


Explanation:
Boldly entering with the benefit of the previous comments -

"Define" is a close etymological relative of decis and conveys the seeming intent that we're talking about the artist's technique, more than the girl's attractiveness or not. For the same reason, mouth might be "circular," a simple geometric attempt. Agreed, "in" the same plane.

mrrafe
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4 hrs

agree  JohnMcDove
10 hrs

agree  ormiston: maye "ill-defined" might be interpreted less as a criticism of the quality of execution
14 hrs

neutral  writeaway: poorly? why such a judgemental term? See Christopher Crockett's suggestions in dbox, especially 'vaguely'.
14 hrs

neutral  Christopher Crockett: The features are certainly "defined" --and well enough to identify them and to distinguish them one from another.
17 hrs
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16 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
a little girl with indistinct features


Explanation:
Has not been suggested and I think it may work well we do not know if the lack of definition is deliberate or due to wear

ormiston
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Christopher Crockett: That's the sense of it. Though I think that my "vaguely articulated" is a bit more precise.
2 hrs
  -> Asker is satisfied but I'm still bemused. Speech, joints and lorries can be articulated (and not even vaguely), but facial features?!

agree  Yolanda Broad
12 hrs
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
with vaguely articulated features


Explanation:
"The features of the face of the figure are [only] vaguely articulated"

Which is to say that the various features of the face are *there* and are identifiable as what they are (eyebrows, eyes, nose, mouth), but they are not clearly and prominently "articulated" --they lack distinct [to use ormiston's term], detailed articulation.

Christopher Crockett
Local time: 12:55
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 131
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M
18 mins
  -> Thanks, Tony. A Close Call --and one which I'm still not completely happy with.

neutral  ormiston: I'm struggling to visualise articulated features on any face!
2 hrs
  -> Struggling is good, Orm --it's an indication that your mind is alive. Perhaps I'm being a bit arcane, using (or misusing?) that word in the sense in which art historians use it :"(figurative): Composed of connected parts." Thus the venerable OED.
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