| Stron w wątku: < [1 2 3 4 5] > | Off topic: Resuscitation of 20 years old threads is disturbing Autor wątku: Angie Garbarino
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Samuel Murray 
Holandia
Local time: 09:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2006
angielski > afrikaans
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Dan Lucas wrote:
Lincoln's implied argument is sound: shouldn't old threads be locked? If the answer from ProZ.com is "no", then he's not breaking any rules by resurrecting old threads.
The fact that old threads are not locked does not mean that any type of reply to old posts are acceptable. The fact that there is flexibility in the rules of a system does not mean that it is acceptable to try to destroy that system as long as you don't, strictly speaking, break any rules.
Lincoln is on a crusade to break the forums and chase away keen participants. His intention is crystal clear, and he thinks that he's going to get away with it because he's "not breaking any rules". Well, he's breaking the biggest rule.
| | | | Dan Lucas
Wielka Brytania
Local time: 08:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2014
japoński > angielski
| We're being played, and responding in precisely the wrong way | Feb 19, 2021 |
Samuel Murray wrote:
The fact that there is flexibility in the rules of a system does not mean that it is acceptable to try to destroy that system as long as you don't, strictly speaking, break any rules.
Samuel, let's be clear: I'm as annoyed by this as anybody else. I'm also disappointed as the person in question has - to my mind - generally been one of those who sees the world a little more clearly than most. This is not mature behaviour on his part.
Nevertheless, my guess that the fact that he is not breaking any rules, strictly speaking, is precisely the argument he wishes to make. A rule that is implicit rather than explicit, one that depends on the kindness of strangers (or as you put it, a shared understanding of what is "acceptable") rather than the force of law, is worthless: that's his point. He presumably became irritated that there was no explicit rule barring the reopening of old threads, and is now on a crusade that has taken on a life of its own.
In the absence of a move by ProZ.com itself, the only thing we can do, collectively, is not engage. In reality many people who should know better - yourself included - continue to engage, to comment on threads that he has reopened, and to generally add fuel to the fire. (Even my response here adds a little energy to this whole fracas.)
If we ignore him, the problem will not go away, but it can be minimised.
All we need to do is turn our backs.
We're failing to do that.
Regards,
Dan
PS I joined my first online forum 30 years ago, on 13 February 1990, before the web even existed, and I have seen this dynamic play out many times since then...
[Edited at 2021-02-19 08:45 GMT]
| | | | Lincoln Hui
Hongkong
Local time: 16:56
Członek ProZ.com
chiński > angielski
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Samuel Murray wrote:
Dan Lucas wrote:
Lincoln's implied argument is sound: shouldn't old threads be locked? If the answer from ProZ.com is "no", then he's not breaking any rules by resurrecting old threads.
The fact that old threads are not locked does not mean that any type of reply to old posts are acceptable. The fact that there is flexibility in the rules of a system does not mean that it is acceptable to try to destroy that system as long as you don't, strictly speaking, break any rules.
Lincoln is on a crusade to break the forums and chase away keen participants. His intention is crystal clear, and he thinks that he's going to get away with it because he's "not breaking any rules". Well, he's breaking the biggest rule.
I absolutely agree that yellows replying to old posts is not acceptable. I also absolutely agree that yellows complaining about replies to old posts is also not acceptable.
As I have said over and over again - I am simply falling in line with what the community has told me, saying exactly what my white masters have told me. They are going to have to sort it out among themselves what should be and what should not.
[Edited at 2021-02-19 10:08 GMT]
| | | | Daryo
Wielka Brytania
Local time: 08:56
serbski > angielski
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| What is disturbing? | Feb 20, 2021 |
Angie Garbarino wrote:
I found it anachronistic, useless and confusing, people often do not realize the start date, so discussion become odd, obsolete and useless, in 20 years the world has changed, many different things happened.
I wonder if there is a way to stop this, perhaps by locking the more obsolete ones?
Thanks a lot
[Edited at 2021-02-16 14:27 GMT]
These threads are not "dead" (why call them "necro..."?) so they can't be "resuscitated"
They are just "in hibernation" - what's wrong with waking them up?
What I find "disturbing" is that anyone would want to harm hibernating threads.
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Angie Garbarino
Local time: 09:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2003
francuski > włoski
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NOWY TEMAT | I have explained in my post you are quoting now. | Feb 21, 2021 |
Daryo wrote:
Angie Garbarino wrote:
I found it anachronistic, useless and confusing, people often do not realize the start date, so discussion become odd, obsolete and useless, in 20 years the world has changed, many different things happened.
I wonder if there is a way to stop this, perhaps by locking the more obsolete ones?
Thanks a lot
[Edited at 2021-02-16 14:27 GMT]
These threads are not "dead" (why call them "necro..."?) so they can't be "resuscitated"
They are just "in hibernation" - what's wrong with waking them up?
What I find "disturbing" is that anyone would want to harm hibernating threads.
And i never called them necro, so please before attacking read correctly.
| | | | Daryo
Wielka Brytania
Local time: 08:56
serbski > angielski
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Angie Garbarino wrote:
Daryo wrote:
Angie Garbarino wrote:
I found it anachronistic, useless and confusing, people often do not realize the start date, so discussion become odd, obsolete and useless, in 20 years the world has changed, many different things happened.
I wonder if there is a way to stop this, perhaps by locking the more obsolete ones?
Thanks a lot
[Edited at 2021-02-16 14:27 GMT]
These threads are not "dead" (why call them "necro..."?) so they can't be "resuscitated"
They are just "in hibernation" - what's wrong with waking them up?
What I find "disturbing" is that anyone would want to harm hibernating threads.
And i never called them necro, so please before attacking read correctly.
Attacking?
I was merely expressing my opinion.
It's no more nor less "attacking" than calling other people's actions "anachronistic, useless and confusing".
[Edited at 2021-02-26 10:00 GMT]
| | | | | Post removed: This post was hidden by a moderator or staff member because it was not in line with site rule | Tom in London
Wielka Brytania
Local time: 08:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2008
włoski > angielski
| He's not the only one | Feb 26, 2021 |
Samuel Murray wrote:
....Lincoln is on a crusade to break the forums and chase away keen participants...
He's not the only one, nor even the worst one. There are others - a tiny number of individuals - who are engaged in a deliberate, unrelenting intention to kill these forums by reducing and trivialising every thread down to the level of adolescent chat.
If you're wondering who I'm referring to, just watch this thread.
[Edited at 2021-02-26 10:11 GMT]
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Mervyn Henderson (X)
Hiszpania
Local time: 09:56
hiszpański > angielski
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| I'm watching | Feb 26, 2021 |
Thanks for the heads-up, Tom. I'll certainly keep my beady eye out for those deliberate, unrelenting forum-killing scoundrels.
| | | | Matthias Brombach
Niemcy
Local time: 09:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2007
niderlandzki > niemiecki
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| Absolutely, I will have ... | Feb 26, 2021 |
Mervyn Henderson wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up, Tom.
... an eye on them too, and report them immediately!
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Tom in London
Wielka Brytania
Local time: 08:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2008
włoski > angielski
| Online without the WWW | Feb 26, 2021 |
Dan Lucas wrote:
I joined my first online forum 30 years ago, on 13 February 1990, before the web even existed
Then maybe, like me, you were on good old IRC (Internet Relay Chat) - which still exists. Hey, Mervyn and Chris - why don't you go over there?
https://www.mirc.co.uk/
Tom
[Edited at 2021-02-26 11:38 GMT]
| | | | | per se vs not per se | Feb 26, 2021 |
Per se, the revival of an old thread here and there is not a bad thing. It happens most often when a novice joins a site, browses through its contents, finds something interesting and responds ..... not realizing that it was written ten years ago. Or there is something truly interesting, you have new ideas about it. If a thing is done for the purpose of creating mischief, confusion, undermining - well intent makes the difference.
We have to choose a title in our thread replies. If some... See more Per se, the revival of an old thread here and there is not a bad thing. It happens most often when a novice joins a site, browses through its contents, finds something interesting and responds ..... not realizing that it was written ten years ago. Or there is something truly interesting, you have new ideas about it. If a thing is done for the purpose of creating mischief, confusion, undermining - well intent makes the difference.
We have to choose a title in our thread replies. If someone knows they are responding to an old thread, then good intent would probably reflect that in the title. There was one such thread a few weeks ago that I think was asking if a given country, which is now one of the hard hit ones Covid-wise, was a good place to visit. That should have had an 'old thread' header in it of some kind. (for example) ▲ Collapse
| | | | Matthias Brombach
Niemcy
Local time: 09:56
Członek ProZ.com
od 2007
niderlandzki > niemiecki
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... solved. Thank you, Angie! 😀
[Bearbeitet am 2021-02-26 12:22 GMT]
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